Public sentiment is overwhelmingly critical and heartbroken over the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with many commenters condemning the perceived genocide of innocent civilians, particularly children. There are significant frustrations aimed at both Hamas and the international community for their roles and inaction, alongside a strong call for urgent action to address the suffering. Commenters articulate deep empathy for victims while calling out media and governmental complicity in this crisis.

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The problem isn’t whether or not you think there’s some government culpability. The problem is if you think there’s some sort of outsized government culpability for Israel compared to any other nation or government. 

I lived through the whole Iraq/Afghanistan war timeline. Sure there were some protestors here and there. But there weren’t music concerts being taken over by anti-American banners. Every time you went on a social media post people weren’t spamming American flags with the word “genocide” next to it. People weren’t constantly spamming “Free Iraq” or “Free Afghanistan.” 

And this is after over 1,000,000 million people were killed in the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns. 

But this isn’t supposed to be a “whataboutism.” It’s a genuine question as to why it seems like nobody gives an absolute fuck about any other war or genocide or whatever but suddenly are hyper focused on this conflict to the minute detail. I can find you plenty of photos of dead Iraqi kids, but nobody cares. And that’s the problem.

ImportTuner808

I am pro Israel, but I’m also a mother, and it is hard to see a child or a baby suffering, no matter where they’re from. Yeah I want these babies to be fed. I also don’t want them to be raised to hate Jews. But an infant shouldn’t be held accountable for what happened in 2023.

Shomer_Effin_Shabbas

There are a lot of zionist Jews care deeply about Israel who are also extremely disturbed by the lack of food reaching Gaza. They are concerned about the actions of the current Israeli government over many things, not just the food distribution, but are able to critique with specificity and without hate (bc the goal is to make Israel better). You have to know where to look for nuanced, compassionate voices who are extremely familiar with Israeli politics. They are probably not going to be the loudest voices online because they don't say things for clickbait or allow for easy, comforting narratives. Some suggestions of social media:

Israeli Policy Forum has great information and analysis about all things related to Israel. 

@ politicaljew

@ holylandspeaks

@ that\_semite

@ alanalindsay

@ yehudimomrim

@ tylerthejewmaican

Dobbin44

War is not pretty. 

Arab neighbors don’t do shit to help. 

Israel was attacked and is now responsible to feed them. 

Egypt’s border is sealed. 

It’s a whole crazy situation. 

Oh and yeah there’s still 50 hostages there. wtf.

Surround8600

I feel so strongly that Israel is critically important I get into shouting matches with strangers about it.

But also, Israel is fucking this up pretty badly right now. Saying war is hell isn't really an excuse. They have to understand the optics of the situation and take them into account, Hamas certainly is. Optics matter because right now the crap optics make us diaspora Jews less safe. That's real too.

NAF1138

It is totally sane, normal, and not at all contradictory to support Israel as a Jewish state *and also* condemn or criticize what the state is doing.

Hamas aside, Israel as the occupying entity has a legal and moral responsibility to ensure appropriate humanitarian assistance is available. The starvation is not fake, there are absolutely innocent civilians starving, even among the wealthier families in Gaza, because there simply is not enough food available to them. 

Don’t let anybody convince you that it’s inappropriate to feel disturbed by this crisis, or that if you’re disturbed you must adopt a host of other anti-Israel and antisemitic beliefs or else you are “complicit.” Fuck all of that. Check out Standing Together if you haven’t heard of them… there are “friends of” ST chapters all over North America in case that’s where you live.

Acrobatic-Parsnip-32

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Yes. It's enormously painful. It's as the Times of Israel put it: Hamas is ultimately responsible for this war, but Israel bears immediate responsibility too: [https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-israel-made-itself-responsible-for-gaza-and-for-all-the-death-and-destruction-there](https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-israel-made-itself-responsible-for-gaza-and-for-all-the-death-and-destruction-there) 

This doesn't mean we AS JEWS are morally responsible any more than other people are. But because it's the Jewish state doing this (and by "this" I mean "allowing a famine to continue instead of making every possible effort to alleviate it") it's giving a moral injury to all Jews.

tempuramores

This is something I've been struggling with myself. One of the things that turned me off of the progressive left (as a progressive leftist) was seeing how many of my friends ooh and ahh over my 2 year old but justified the murder of the Bibas boys. Kfir Bibas was 3 days older than my son, and my partner and I were considering Aliyah in 2022. My own friends might have been justifying the murder of my son, my partner, and myself.


I refuse to do the same thing to a Palestinian child, no matter the crimes of their government. No baby deserves to starve and to hand-wave away that starvation is a betrayal of every value I hold. 


It's not right or fair, but every government has to weigh the virtue of a proportional response (you can tell I watched too much West Wing as a kid). Clearly what's being tried *is* dismantling Hamas, but I don't believe one life can be traded for another--how many children are the Hamasniks worth? 


I support Israel defending itself, but how far is too far? I don't really have an answer.


EDIT: I don't have an answer but I do have a suggestion. The western powers can recognise a Palestinian state once all the hostages are returned AND the remainder of Hamas disbands/submits to the ICC for judgement for war crimes for October 7. Return the hostages, disband, do teshuva, and they get a state. The ball is in their court, I'm tired of this nonsense.

dont_thr0w_me_away_

Israelis criticize the goverment all the time, just more between ourselves and less when talking to out of country people.

BlackVirusXD3

I wish there was something we could really do to help.  I don’t think placing blame is most important, and that’s where all the tension and hatred forJews comes from.  We have to work on fixing and helping.

RedFlowerGreenCoffee

Yes, absolutely feeling this way and there are many of us navigating the painful complexity, though our voices aren’t as prominent online as the extremes. Most Jews I know irl feel as we do. This is our humanity, and we have to hold on to it for dear life.

Prudent_Web_3677

There’s no reason for Israel to not get aid to them and anyone in their right mind wants that but it will take a collective effort.

hinaultpunch

War is hell. Anyone who thinks that a country can fight a perfectly clean war where no civilian is harmed knows nothing about war. By all accounts, this is actually a considerably clean war. 

“War is hell” is not an excuse to target civilians, but rather an acknowledgment that when you are fighting a war in densely populated urban area against an enemy whose strategy is to maximize their own civilian suffering, non-combatants will die. Moreover, this has to be the first war since World War 2 where neighboring countries actively refused to shelter civilians caught in the crossfire, as Egypt and Jordan are refusing to do now. This makes it extremely difficult to move non-combatants away from the battle space. Another first is the outright refusal of the defeated entity (Hamas) to surrender. They are clearly beaten and could end this war tomorrow if they wanted to. 

It’s also worth noting that had Israel started this war, the conversation would be different, but this is a war of necessity — Israel was attacked by Hamas and Hamas must be eliminated.

Individual-Stage-620

The problem is that there is supply but UN is refusing to work with GHF so supplies are piling up. Israel just showed reporters what was happening. The issue isn’t supply but the UN refusing to work unless Hamas gets a cut.

Correct-Effective289

The government sucks and the war needs to end. Enough. This is definitely Netanyahu's fault.

However, Israel is now allowing aid to enter Gaza basically freely, which is important to mention. A lot of what you see is indeed propaganda. It would have been better if the incompetent fools in government didn't play right into it. The entire GHF thing was an obvious mistake.

Ahad_Haam

The way I view it is that I’m pro-Israel anti-Bibi. The way this was has been prosecuted is to keep him in power and with Trump now back in the White House he’s all onboard with Trump’s insane plan of mass expulsions of Arabs from Gaza so trump and his family can build waterfront resorts on the cheap.

When Israeli soldiers are saying their surperiors are telling them to use live ammunition on unarmed civilians then there is definitely culpability by the some of the top leaders in Israel and it starts with Bibi.

TheInfinityOfThought

I hate to see noncombatants going hungry and suffering as well. I don't see how limiting food aid is a smart or decent way to attack Hamas. 

Has anyone determined how much aid has entered Gaza since Oct 2023 and whether that should have been enough to feed everyone in Gaza? I'm not sure how much of the problem is Israel not allowing enough aid in versus the aid not getting where it needs to be.

Flamingo_Reasonable

Yeah it’s pretty awful, I’ve had to stop paying attention to it because everything about it is so awful it negatively affecting my mental health.

lordbuckethethird

A lot of people base their views on this conflict (both the current Gaza war and the longer conflict since 1948) on their identity as a Zionist/antizionist or “pro-Israel/pro-palestine” instead of trying understand how individuals are harmed. I don’t really care if people are Zionists or antizionists but I’m not interested in talking to people who believe that the entire population of Gaza is deserving of starvation or forced displacements. Ethnic cleansing is disgusting and needs to be condemned forcefully.

Good-Concentrate-260

It is wearing on all of us. It’s time to end this.  I defended every more  Netanyahu for well over the first year. I don’t understand how shooting at starving civilians is supposed the make Israel safer.

Interesting_Claim414

Oh I definitely feel this way, and will be downvoted into oblivion now for saying that.  But I am having a hard time with the idea that the whole population should be paying the price for what the governing body did , we have other examples of the government doing atrocious things (looking at you , Russia, Trump administration) but yet there are very few people saying: oh yes you elected that and advocating for collateral damage. Bibi now is ensuring that there will three more generations of Palestinians and people around the world that will hate Israelis and all Jews. And no matter how great IDF is they are not saints , not perfect and unlikely winning this war. 
Oh and the war is hard and oh well what about Egypt crowd is normally posting from places nowhere remotely close to any conflicts or wars; most of them really don’t know what they are talking about.

Sababa180

Israel is not alone. The UN, putting Hamas political ambitions first, is at least complicit, probably more.

Puzzleheaded-Test218

The food is already in Gaza.  The UN refuses to distribute it. 

Suitable_Vehicle9960

I feel sorry for them.  I don’t feel guilty.  That’s the difference.

BurnThis2

Is this a good faith discussion? Read the news, please, prior to ranting online. YNetNews is a noted centrist/moderate/objective news outlet. It is NOT The Times of Israel, nor is it Haaretz. It's fair. Egypt is sealed and the world is not blaming THEM for not feeding Gazans, and Israel is TRYING to feed them. 

# [Israel blames UN for Gaza food shortage, 800 truckloads of aid wait for UN delivery](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1rfmmgpge)

QueenLevine

What is happening is the fault of Hamas, the UN, Israel, and gullible westerners. It’s horrible and not okay. I can’t control any of them and feel helpless. I want the hostages safe. I want Hamas gone. I want two states and peace. Nobody cares what I want though

Bakingsquared80

Return the hostages and stop trying to kill all Jews.

Next question?

shragae

The international community only cares because Israel is a sensational topic. Most Americans don’t care at all that millions of Iraqis died in the wars America fought but they suddenly care that some Gazans are dying. It’s literally just because anti-semitism is how you get views and clicks.

Round-Status-5773

It's a war. There's a reason people say war is hell. And this is a war in a densely populated urban area in which one side is seeking to maximize casualties amongst its own civilian population. Understand that every image you see -- and they are horrific -- is exactly what Hamas wants. Also understand that there is extreme media bias against Israel. They are not giving you the full story, like the fact that Hamas actively prevents Gazans from getting aid or the fact that there are many tons of it waiting to be distributed. 


Israel is a country, flawed like any other. They're certainly far from perfect. But there are probably dozens of other horrors taking place all over the world right now. Why is it that people are so obsessed with this one conflict? Why does no one care about Sudan, for example, or the ongoing slaughter of Druze in Syria (who Israel tried to help, by the way)? 


You already know the answer to these questions. 

DoodleBug179

I hate to say this after your post, but Hamas really is to blame, both for the Blood Libels they spread and for the misery they spread.  To be upset is a normal,  Jewish response, but the only party to be upset with is Hamas.

LanceJade

Please remember that Palestinians have a whole industry of fabricating misinformation (Paliwood is real). The pictures you see of the starving children have proven again and again to be from Yemen/Syria, AI or even staged using terminally ill patients. In many cases, the "child" is already swaddled to the point that no one can see that it's actually a doll. 


Ask yourself why the "famine" is suddenly worse now that the UN/Hamas no longer has monopoly, especially when we've seen and heard from Gazans themselves that they can finally get aid without having to pay for it. The weaker Hamas gets the worse the reports of Gaza's "suffering". This is more than just a coincidence - the propaganda is turned up to max using the oldest blood libel of them all: bloodthirsty Jews killing innocent babies. If anything, they are getting desperate.


Yes, there us hardship and civilians are always the ones to suffer in war. The task of providing aid to large crowds with Hamas operatives swarming about is a logistical nightmare and there will be shortages until the network has been properly established. It is important to remember, however, that neither the IDF or the GHF are claiming famine and the data does not support that there is ongoing famine. 


It is important that we keep level-headed and rational so we do not fall for the propaganda. The world was always turned against us and we should not rely on the words of antisemites. 

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migoodman

If you had access to live-streamed coverage of Berlin during WW2 you would have been equally appalled. War is disgusting, and anyone that advocates or encourages is it wrong in the head. Hamas chose this war and refuses to surrender because western college students have glorified and encouraged their violence. Just all around a shitty situation.

TheForsaken69

Many of those images you seeing are from Yemen, syria, or just staged.

watch sahartv or any of the other myriad of smaller channels. you can see there is definitive exaggeration that looks terrible but you need the context

i mean yes war is awful. yes people are struggling. but Gaza has restaurants. food (though admittedly diverted via Hamas, etc). yes people have died (though 98% of the population is still alive and well)

but watch sahar. this clip, he collected video from people who filmed CNN filming what they wanted the world to see from there. there are definitely staged clips that you're seeing. there's a clip of a kid to be so hungry he's eating sand but there's restaurants right behind him just out of the CNN footage. supposedly a baby that was born on a pile of rubble but the baby is totally clean and they're saying it's 2 hours old but I can assure we tell you that baby's far older than 2 hours. and look at the clothes, they are not close that anyone would find if it was as bad and devastated as they're saying it is 

popular media is showing what they want you to see, not necessarily the whole picture

https://youtu.be/s49D33DPo8I?si=QaQm78yZAIKimdgU

Ifawumi

How about we do some research and talk about facts and not propaganda designed to spread lies and twist the narrative.

Here is a detailed analysis of what is really happening.  Once people address the facts maybe then they can start blaming Israel for something.  But OP and others chiming in have skipped over all the relevant issues, like how Israel does deliver aid, how the UM refuses to cooperate or allow Israel to escort the aid under guard inside Gaza, or how Hamas steals the aid, or how GHF is trying to go around Hamas but the UN is trying to stop GUF from doing that.  

https://www.np.reddit.com/r/BeneiYisraelNews/s/PJIef6wSHu

Asphodelmercenary

I think the issue is people putting the blame entirely on Israel, which seems to be the case for 90% of these propaganda inducing posts. Yes it’s sad, but it’s inevitable.

Mindless_Charity_395

Think back to WWII. All those people starving in concentration camps in Germany. Not just Jews, other people too. 

Did Americans and Europeans "placed blame" or "acknowledged magnitude" for that? Do you think they should have?

  
Also, in the case of Gaza. The photos are children with mostly congenital diseases that cause wasting, atrophy. Yes they need better medical care. But they are not "starving."

TopSecretAlternateID

This is a TROLL. It’s disgusting how they are inundating these groups but you can easily see what they e posted about. The fact that this troll never postedONCE about anything Jewish let alone Gaza says it all.

yumyum_cat

Israel looks bad by allowing the starving of so many women and children, so politically, it would be in their best interest to get food and medical aid to the people of Gaza, even if it's not Israel's responsibility. 

Of course, the rest of the world could figure out a way to get food to Gazans if they really wanted to.

FreeRangeGrape

Imagine if we had todays media during WW2. We could not blame any one nation for the starvation and difficult circumstances war creates globally. Israel is held to a standard no other nation on Earth is expected to adhere to. Not to mention there are two sides to every story. The population in Gaza was not "well fed" under HAMAS before the war either so these conditions hit even harder.

No_Mathematician7395

Thank God. Hopefully some of the most acutely malnourished can be saved from starvation before it’s too late.

amish_android

I'll believe it when I see it. I rolled my eyes when people started using the G word, but they were right. This is absolutely inexcusable and Israel must be held accountable by the International community that they depend on.

syynapt1k


&gt;The ministry said **122** Palestinians have died in recent days of similar symptoms, including 83 children.

Pretty sure this is reported to be the total since the start of the war in Oct 2023, not just recent days.

Yep, a quick google search finds BBC: 

&gt;Nine more people died of malnutrition on Friday, according to the Palestinian territory's Hamas-run health ministry - bringing the total such deaths since the war began to 122.

NBC:

&gt;...bringing the total number of deaths from malnutrition since the start of the war to 122, including 83 children

Al-Jazeera:


&gt;That brings the total number of such deaths to 122 since Israel's war on Gaza began in October 2023, including at least 83 children.

fury420

Whatever they do it will be coldly calculated to try to appease international critics while actually doing the absolute minimum. Israel thumbs its noses at and criticises those that criticise it. It will do what it wants, regardless of international pressure.

grahamsuth

I don’t believe a word these m’ther f’ckers say.

Adorable-Constant294

Only because of pressure by all these other countries. Keep it up.

buizel123

They are doing the Warsaw thing to the Gazans.

PraetorGold

i only want the press to be allowed in the area so we can finally know whether hamas or israel hinder the humanitarian aid

derteeje

Israel and humanitarian in the same sentence. The perfect example of an oxymoron.

Designer_Buy_1650

assprxnce

This would be a good time for Hamas to have the audacity to, ya know, govern. Provide food to the people of Gaza, if Israel is doing it so poorly. 

Matter of fact, it would be a good time for Egypt and all the other Arab countries that have "shown solidarity" with the people of Gaza to step up and start dropping food into Gaza. "Showing solidarity" without actually doing anything is just like "thoughts and prayers".

jewboy916

The international pressure this time around seems unprecedented. The joint statement led by the UK has some 30 signatories, nearly all of them Israeli allies. France is about to recognise Palestine and there are calls in the UK to do the same. Even Germany has put out a joint statement with UK and France about how horrific the situation has become. It feels like if this deteriorates any further there will be mass recognition of Palestine or a mass sanction on more Israeli ministers.

I have hope that this will force Israel's hands and sign a ceasefire _to get ALL the hostages out_.

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The first, and most important, step is to stop sending an ungodly amount of “aid” to Israel

Wide_Mode7480

It's been out of hand for a while.  Isreal has killed more civilians in their war on Gaza than Russia has in Ukraine, despite there being far fewer Gazans.  Our unconditional material and diplomatic support for Israel's wars will be another stain on our country's reputation and standing in the world.  We could have intervened at any time and brought peace to the region, but Isreal doesn't want peace and both parties are beholden to AIPAC and the lobby.

gummibearhawk

If the US threatened to treat Israel like an enemy state, the crisis would end overnight. I.E. harshest possible trade sanctions, freeze all Israeli funds in US banks, UN opposition, declare the IDF and Mossad as terrorist orgs, government figures on Most Wanted lists, etc.

Israel cannot exist without unconditional US support, so threatening to withhold that support should theoretically get them to do whatever we want.

BrideOfAutobahn

We should cut off all aid to Isarel. No more free rides.

Valuable_Surprise588

Problem is everyone WANTS us to intervene until they get what they want and then they turn on us. 

It is not in our best interest because the US always comes out as the bad guy. Better to just stay out of other countries issues. We’ll still get blamed but at least it won’t cost us any money or lives.

WonderfulVariation93

We did intervene. The Biden administration in 2024 directed the Navy to build a huge floating pier in Gaza so aid ships could unload directly and land border crossings would no longer be necessary. It was a disaster. The rough sea made the pier very difficult to use. It broke apart at least once and had to be temporarily removed several times for repairs or to prevent damage. It had to be closed frequently because the waves were too rough. There was at least one fire on board the pier, and at least one US sailor had to be hospitalized for injuries sustained on the pier. In the end it operated on and off for three months, cost $230 million, and was used to deliver about one day of humanitarian aid to Gaza.

https://www.reuters.com/world/how-bidens-gaza-pier-project-unraveled-2024-07-25/

Gaxxz

No, the US should not intervene. That will just help Hamas, who will steal the crap and the people will starve anyway.

soulwind42

No. It's a foreign conflict and we have no business doing more than providing aid.

GreatSoulLord

I dont know how we could send aid so that it gets to the kids but not to the terrorists or the people that voted for terrorists. 


The people in Gaza could stop this anytime they want.

Layer7Admin

Yes, the US can intervene to stop the crisis.

If the US pauses, or outright stops all aid to Israel, then Israel will do whatever the US says.

thoughtsnquestions

From AlJazeera (July 26):

&gt;On Wednesday, UN spokesperson Stephane Dujarric said half of the 16 food distribution requests submitted to the Israeli military had been refused.

&gt;“Bureaucratic … and other operational obstacles imposed by Israeli authorities; ongoing hostilities and access constraints within Gaza; and incidents of criminal looting, and more shooting incidents that have killed and injured people gathering to offload aid supplies along convoy routes” have limited efforts to deliver aid, Dujarric told reporters.

Even the UN admits it's not only Israel at issue.  

From July 24:

&gt;"Israel has agreed to the Qatari proposal and the updated (US special envoy Steve) Witkoff proposal, it is Hamas that is refusing," Mencer told reporters, adding that Israel's negotiating team was still in Doha and talks were ongoing.

After 2 weeks Hamas submitted a proposal that 

&gt;...included proposed amendments to clauses on the entry of aid, maps of areas from which the Israeli army should withdraw, and guarantees on securing a permanent end to the war


Seems to me Hamas is still the anchor of all problems here.  apparently Israel has airdropped seven shipments of aid.  The US or UN could easily do 10 times that.  We should not aid Israel here but our support is already bought.

Sam_Fear

ikonoqlast

What do you propose the US does? The US and Israel both created the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation to disperse aid to Gazans, but months before the Israel Iran war there were reports of Hamas shooting Gazans at GHF aid sites in addition to reports of IDF shooting Gazans at traditional aid sites. I don’t know the validity of either of these claims or the motivation behind them. I think most Americans would oppose American military boots on the ground in enemy territory to facilitate aid distribution, but if you mean intervene as give aid at distribution sites that puts Gazans at risk. 

From what I have heard Hamas is weak so there is a level on anarchy in Gaza that has allowed some Palestinian Islamic Jihad groups to rise up in the region. From what I heard a few months before the Israel Iran war, PIJ groups would commandeer aid trucks and steal the aid before it even got to the location. 

I heard that Israel gave permission for other countries to also do aid drops so that’s good to bring the aid to Gazans rather than luring them somewhere that may be risky, but I don’t see what prevents PIJ from seeing the planes and still stealing the aid. I just don’t know what more the US can be doing when I don’t think that it’s the aid that’s the problem, I think it’s the distribution.

Dstein99

We should encourage Egypt and Jordan to welcome the Palestinians.

Any_Blackberry_2261

EdelgardSexHaver

Yes, it is a genocide at this point clearly.


But U.S. politicians have continued to support it lately. 


Many of them are likely blackmailed (Epstein) and paid off to do this. 


Trump even shut down pro actual grass roots protests in universities.


And I guess Soros doesn't bother with funding the massive protests like in BLM in this case.


These politicians will also likely remove free speech in the future, similarly to what was done in the UK.


The only good news is that younger conservatives are starting to understand this better. Liberals, kind of do, but their politicians vote similarly anyway.

Interesting-Gear-392

Those who fund Hamas and inspire the terrorist that operate in the region, should be removed from earth. Hamas currently holds 50 hostages, including two Americans, they are not interested in negotiations. The entire culture will not negotiate with Israel or America. The only thing that could help the kids would to have American families adopt them and remove them from the region. It’s an impossible situation.

SnooFloofs1778

We should intervene, and we should crush Hamas.  Hamas needs to give back all the hostages, disarm and they need to surrender.  Their members should report to the Hague for trial.

And if they don’t agree to those terms, then we should bomb the ever loving fuck out of them.

BlackmonsGhost

So Hamas can steal it and drag out the conflict longer?  No thanks.

JoeCensored

I think the leadership Gaza elected should have thought about making their people's lives better instead of furthering their jihad and picking a war they knew they were going to lose and using their constituency as meat shields and propaganda fuel.

ARatOnASinkingShip

Why aren't their Muslim neighbors giving them refuge.

Ptbot47

Why would the us intervene? What tangible benefit is sending out kids to kill and die to prevent other people's kids from dying?

Here's what I see the US gaining from intervention:

1) Loss of American lives

2) Loss of Israel as a strategic ally in the region

3) Loss of billions of dollars

4) Palestinians will still hate us like they're told to

5) Increased not decreased instability in the region

6) A full scale regional war as neighboring states rush in to pick the meat off Israel's bones

7) Strengthened Iran without Israel to check their power

There's no benefit for the US in regards to intervention. Maybe some bleeding heart will say "what about the children?" But what about our children? 

What happens in your home is your problem, what happens in your neighbors home is theirs.

Fantastic-Pear-2395

The Palestinians started the war with Israel and are losing but have not yet returned the hostages they kidnapped or turned over the individuals responsible.  Until that happens, the conflict will continue and during that time, an embargo on any aid getting in is what happens when you FAFO.

The Palestinians can end the war when they return the hostages and turn over those responsible.  Until then, they're deciding to continue the war and any suffering on their civilian population is of their own doing.

thorleywinston

This is not complicated. Hamas needs to release the hostages and stop shooting. They lost this war ages ago.

Skylark7

AIPAC funds both sides political spectrum it aint gonna happen. But aid wise we could airdrop food/medicine without infrastructure just like we did in Berlin Airlift. 

I don't really give a shit about ethnic conflicts overseas. Foreigners killing each other since Bible was freshly minted. Same Republicans who pushed entire last years Biden Administration condemning accelerated conflict between russia/ukraine are now pounding their chest over Israel. I don't want my tax money spent on it. This issue is Israel terrain is also home Christian relics/sites and artifacts and they've majorly blown up, vandalized christian sites.

Evil isn’t the real threat to the world. Stupid is just as destructive as Evil, maybe more so, and it’s a hell of a lot more common. What we really need is a crusade against Stupid. That might actually make a difference.

SpikedPsychoe

A crusade against stupid, how noble.  What’s the end-game here?  Why is Iran so adamant about maintaining a presence in Israel?  Why stay in Gaza and lots and lots and lots of kids there if it’s the worst place in the world for them?

84hoops

No, it isn't our problem. Let the Jews and the Arabs sort it out. They may sort it out or they may just keep killing each other.


Either way, it will be fun to see what happens.

Rich-Cryptographer-7

First off, they are at war. Countries at war blockade each other and starve each other. It's obvious that Israel isn't starving Gaza as there are still plenty of fat people there and no one is dying of starvation. Second why don't you pressure Egypt to open their border to save the Palestinians? They aren't at war with either side. Why does Hamas still have hostages after almost 2 yrs of this war? All of this could be over in a day of they just released all of the hostages, why does Israel have to be the better more moral guy? Just like how we should allow Ukraine to use western bombs deep within Russia. Technically war crimes can legally be committed if the other side commits them first. I don't condone war crimes, just stating a fact. Hamas committed war crimes by invading, kidnapping, raping, and murdering thousands of Israelis, Russia is committing war crimes every 5 seconds. It's time we stop holding Israel and Ukraine back and allow them to finish the job.

Aggressive_Dog3418

&gt; Should the U.S. intervene in Gaza humanitarian crisis

No. Gaza is getting exactly what they asked for.

Kman17

Hamas is starving their own people. If we want to intervene it's to destroy Hamas and get the aid to the people

AwareMoney3206

The rulers of Gaza, Hamas, started a war, took hostages, violated all the laws and norms of civilized warfare and now are screaming that their people are suffering as they use them as human shields.  

  
Hamas can stop the war anytime by surrendering.  They won't because they want more Gazans to die for the propaganda effort which is their only chance to cling to power.

LawnJerk


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Fetterman: "Why isn't it happening faster?"

NeededToChooseAName

They're mostly worried they might be expected to show some moral courage at some point.

Esuts

Concerned they might be held accountable for the genocide they’re committing?

databacon

Israel better be careful. If they starve another few thousand kids to death, they could be looking at a full-blown angry letter. 

Delicious_Toad

The Susan Collin’s Democratic coalition of concern in the face of ethnic cleansing but doing absolutely nothing. It’s time for democrats to say Israel doesn’t speak for Jewish people, recognize Palestine, and place embargoes/sanctions on Israel (that’s the minimum). Additionally, recognize settlers as terrorists. If you were in power, I’d let the UN have a field day and get UN troops on the ground. You could make a coalition of governments to take control of the entire West Bank and Gaza to install a stable Palestinian government and provide protections from settler violence and the Israeli military.

JPenniman

There is severe starvation in Gaza, acknowledged by President Trump. International aid efforts are inadequate, with escalating malnutrition and hunger-related deaths being reported.

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